Archive | October, 2008

Sunday Morning Coffee Break: Who Defines Christianity?

12 Oct

After my internship this summer, I’m quite under the realisation that God is much bigger than how our own contexts usually confine God.  God is equally in the 10:30 am coffee break between the 9:30 am and 11am service as God is in the shout or the contemporary version of the ring shout.

I’ve struggled with what to call these Sunday Morning thingamajigys, I’ve used revelation, and last week I used realization and today I’m just going to call it a coffee break.

Today’s topic: Who Defines Christianity?

Liberals usually holler that the religious right has hi-jacked Christianity and made it some secret club that only select members can get in.  While that is true, I turn toward my fellow companions on the left and ask them, just how should Christianity be defined then?

After sitting in the core requirement of Church History 1, I realise that currently, our primary “text” from which we do Christianity isn’t the Bible, but really church dogma beginning with Paul, the martyrs and people like Clement and Ignatius.  We’re really interpreting the political contrivings of the church fathers and placing them on the biblical text.  From those various jump off points we have actually machinated doctrines of Trinitarianism, atonement, deification, sanctification and justification that have been passed down through the years and have placed them on the biblical text.  Because of that, I am convinced that some very interesting doctrines have been placed on our contemporary times that don’t necessarily make sense.

I see how Christianity was defined back in the day, and as far as I’m concerned, it’s all conjecture and up for debate.  If one side has proof, so does the other side–it’s all up to interpretation.

What I don’t like that the religious right has done is made Christianity an us versus them dichotomy.  This isn’t new talk for me, I’ve said it before in some of my other religious slanted posts, but for the life of me, I just can’t figure out why?  But of course, if one traces the roots of many of the mainline denominations in existence in America, many of them split over the issue of slavery–hence Southern Baptists for example.  They were quite clear that Christianity for them was to look like the monochromatic backdrop of people at a Sen. John McCain-Gov. Sarah Palin rally.

Scripture aside (because one could debate back and forth all day everyday) why is it that some Christians feel as though one must look a certain way, act a certain way, talk a certain way–or to be more pointed, must say a certain creed (Apostles or Nicene), be baptized, receive the right hand of fellowship–in other words be initiated into their club in order to receive full membership rights?  Too many self-professed Christians are treating the church as nothing more than a sorority or a fraternity.

The church is full of “if-then” clauses propagated from the pulpit “If you tithe, then God won’t curse you” (Mal. 3:8) setting up a legalistic God that operates under retributive justice, but of course the church uses that to their advantage when they want to, and then preaches and teaches grace when something bad has happened–just ask Juanita Bynum (but who really knows what she’s talking about anyway).

Personally, I think the Old Testament as we know is nothing but conjecture.  I don’t hold the Bible in high authority like I used to.  Here’s an example: I think Martin Luther King’s “Letter to a Birmingham jail” is as equally inspired by God, and is just as much the Word of God as Paul’s letter to the church at Corinth.  This is not to say that there isn’t good preaching material in the Bible or that some passages hold eternal truths that align with my understanding of God, but I have problems with a biblical understanding of a God who “tests” humans by telling them to go kill their own son (Gen. 32).  As far as I’m concerned, the only real book of the Bible is Ecclesiastes–Qoheleth is quite clear that “all of it is vanity.”

However, when I ask who defines Christianity, I would suggest this particular Bible passage (because some of y’all wouldn’t know what to do if I didn’t pull a scripture to support my point) John 13:35 that, in my own interpretation, says “They’ll know that we are followers of Christ by our love.”   The beloved community has a responsibility to love conditionally–that one condition is that we should love, otherwise, unconditionally.

As Christians we may say that we love our enemy, but we really don’t show it often.  When it is reported that at McCain-Palin rallies that supporters have been allowed to call out “Terrorist” in reference to Obama or even the more damnable “Kill him” and receive nothing more than a lukewarm smile from McCain and a Dick Cheney-esque smirk from Sarah Palin, then it’s quite clear that we have allowed the wrong people to define who we are and what we stand for as followers of the one who was and is to come.

I knew it was really bad when Soul Jonz informed me that one our colleagues at school, who is much more Pentecostal in her practices told him that ”Obama is a Muslim” (and thank God not a “Muslin” <– make sure you click on that link) and that “He kills babies” as though he was personally involved in alluded abortions.  As followers of the Way, I believe we have a responsibilty to not shape and remake Christianity into our own image as the left, but rather place it in the public square and have a discussion that brings us all into full fellowship with one another. 

I can guarantee you that if I wasn’t a church kid, I wouldn’t want to be Christian.  Admittedly, the pro-black side of me might have found appeal to a Jeremiah Wright (and I must say that white folk got another thing coming if they think that we’ve done away with the rhetorical powerhouse that is Minister Louis Farrakhan), but if mainline Christianity that has been presented in the public domain is promoted as being all white and patriarchal, why oh why would someone want to profess a belief of Christianity?

Who do you think has defined Christianity?  Do you think that God can or should be defined or confined to how we see it or do you think I’m just off my liberal rocker?

Keep it uppity and keep it truthfully radical, JLL

I Have No Words…Barack ‘Osama’ Found on Absentee Ballot

11 Oct

 

I mean wow. Here’s a story that covered this mess.

It could have been Ovama or Ofama. Or even Olama.

But with one “s” the Rensselaer County Board of Elections turned a single wrong letter into a national embarrassment Friday.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s last name is spelled “Osama” on some 300 absentee ballots mailed out this week to voters in Rensselaer County hilltowns.

Is it a Freudian slip, intentional gaffe or a mistake? Voters are sure to have opinions, and one politician pointed out that the letters “s” and “b” are not exactly keyboard neighbors. [emphasis added]

“Of all the letters to hit by mistake,” County Democratic Chairman Tom Wade said. “Unfortunately it is a mistake which negatively impacts our Democratic candidate for president.”

I said the same thing

Q W E R T Y U I O P
A S D F G H J K L
Z X C V B N M

That’s what a keyboard looks like.  Come on now saints, if this was deliberate (and I can hardly see how it wasn’t) this was most certainly racist.

Keep it uppity and keep it truthfully radical, JLL

The Gloves Come Off: John McCain’s Combustible Campaign as Sarah Palin Fights Ethics Charges

11 Oct

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Granted four years ago, I wasn’t blogging, didn’t have cable and wasn’t this attentive to the presidential campaign or at least, my memory doesn’t say so, but we’ve kinda passed the proverbial silly season in presidential campaign and entered unknown territory.

From voter registration frauds being alleged and Obama being tied to ACORN and still Jeremiah Wright (but he’s a Muslim **rolls eyes**) we now have another blip on the Republican ticket.  Sarah “The Moose” Palin has officially been tied to this Troopergate scandal.

Alaska Governor Sarah Palin says she did not abuse her power as governor, despite a legislative investigation which found she violated state ethics laws by trying to have her former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper.

After the results of the investigation were released, Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, was asked by a reporter if she abused her power as governor. She replied, “No, and if you read the report you’ll see that there was nothing unlawful or unethical about replacing a cabinet member. You gotta read the report, sir.”

The politically charged investigation is over, and its conclusions are stinging. But the fallout, if any, might not come until Election Day.

Now, is the Republican right really trying to link Obama to ACORN, yet another tenuous link, meanwhile Palin has officially been accused of ethics violations?  The report(<– PDF FILE) does say that she was found in violation of an abuse of power statute, but that otherwise it was by the book and that no recommendations for cession of her gubernatorial powers was required.  Nonetheless, what was John McCain thinking when he found this lady?

Apparently, everyone thinks very highly of her despite we’ve known her know for only a month and some change.

It was mildly scary to hear some reports, unsubstantiated by the UNN, that she’s being treated by the campaign as a secretary of some sorts by the good ol’ boys club behind the scenes.

But this ship had long been sinking for Palin because Kathleen Parker prior to the debates called for Palin to step down.  I think Michelle Laxhalt was a bit more incendiary in her comments because she not just said Palin was a mess, but went on to say that McCain has lost his mind because of the handlers and operatives that McCain decided to hire.  Personally, I was happy to hear Laxhalt say that this is not the Republican party.

We may not agree on somethings, but dammit, these kind of shenanigans Palin has been pulling at these rallies letting folk say “Kill him!”in reference to Obama has got to stop.  I was pleased to hear that McCain handled supporters well when they were ready to boo Obama mercilessly, and that Obama thanked his opponent for toning down the rhetoric.

Btw, should I put out an APB for “Regular” Joe Biden?  When’s the last time we’ve heard from him?

Has Palin really lost her mind with the round of this past weeks attacks?  Do you all who are Republican still stand by McCain’s pick of Palin?  Is Palin’s unethical behaviour no more or no less than Obama’s involvement with Tony Rezko–and for the record, Obama’s name didn’t come up ONE single time during the trial. Do you think they’ll find evidence of Obama being linked to ACORN?

Don’t forget to caption the picture!!!

Keep it uppity and keep it truthfully radical, JLL

Obama Youth: To Step or Not to Step

10 Oct

Does anyone remember that story you read in grammar school called “The Wave” when it came to that point in World History (right after they just skipped over ALLLLL of African history) when they’d talk about Nazi’s and WWII and the Holocaust.

Yeah, I just came out an African American Church History class as I write this, soooo…yeah…we’ll just leave my comments to myself.

But the following is an article from the Telegraph that covered the Obama version of “The Wave” out in Kansas City.

Authorities at the Urban Community Leadership Academy in Kansas City, Missouri took action after a video of the pupils, who are thought to be aged 14 and 15, emerged on YouTube.

The video, which was titled “Obama Youth – Junior Fraternity Regiment”, has since been removed, but copies have been re-posted.

It shows 10 teenage boys marching into a classroom, making gestures with their arms and reciting “alpha, omega”.

After coming to a halt, each in turn shouts a personal mantra associating their personal goals with Mr Obama.

The first says: “Because of Obama, I aspire to be the next doctor”; the next, “Because of Obama, I aspire to be the next lawyer”.

Each then shouts Mr Obama’s campaign slogan: “Yes we can”, before carrying out a drill combining the recital of slogans and aggressive physical gestures. The boys then each recite a different benefit of Mr Obama’s healthcare plan.

Joyce McGautha, the school’s superintendent, told US media that the school did not approve of the video. She said that the teacher, who has not been named in anticipation of legal action, was suspended, and that further drill activities were stopped.

YouTube viewers were quick to criticise Mr Obama’s campaign for the video’s content, and to compare it to 20th century political youth movements.

One wrote: “This should scare the hell out of any freedom loving American. The Democrats, their accomplices in the media and the schools, are producing the next generation of Hitler Youth. Welcome to the People’s Socialist Republic of America.”

The video’s emergence comes soon after that of Sing for Change, a clip in which 22 children between 5 and 12 were seen singing a song praising the Democratic presidential candidate. Critics said it was improper to make children support politicians.”

And check out the YouTube clip for further reference.

Well, for context I will add that let us remember that stepping is an integral part of our black culture.  One need only step on an HBCU and see the Ques stepping, for we all know that they wear military fatigue when they step on the yard.  I mean, at our church when we were kids, about the same age as the ones in the clip, we stepped with fatigues on while we quote Bible scriptures.

But again, y’all know what church that was, so I’m sure that’s not exactly a positive.

I’m going to save my opinion on this one.  What are y’alls take on this?

Keep it uppity and keep it truthfully radical, JLL

P.S.  I’ve just started utilizing this “timed drop” of my posts so, for instance, this post, I wrote Thursday afternoon, but it’s not being released until 7am Friday morning.  Just wanna know what time do you all normally check this blog?  Is it in the morning, or afternoon after work or during your lunch break–or something or ‘ruther.

Happy Birthday To Me!

9 Oct

 

Yeah, this is very self-serving. 

This is my first birthday celebrated on the blog.  Yup, the big ole TWO-FOUR.

Look how far I’ve come. (see above pic.)

October 15th right around the corner celebrates my one year of having this blog as well.  And perhaps at this rate, the 200th blog post will be right around the same time.  I’m at 192, well 193 with this blog post here.

I’m going to be extremely busy all day tomorrow, so it’s an open thread.  All that means is that someone pick a topic and just let it flow with the comments.  I can moderate from my phone throughout the day, so if you’re a first time blogger, don’t be discouraged, I’ll see what you posted, free it up and you’re good to go from there.

Anywho…HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Keep it uppity and keep it truthfully radical, JLL

P.S. I accept all gift cards to places like Macy’s, Starbucks, Barnes and Noble or Borders

Live Blogging of the Presidential Debates 2008, Round Two

7 Oct

I am grievously sorry “my friends” but I will not be able to do a play-by-play like I did for the last two debates to a death in my academic family.

My computer more or less gave up the ghost.

I’m waiting on a power cord, so hopefully that’ll be in sometime this week and that will remedy the problem.  In the meantime, I encourage you all to check out Black and Married With Kids who will be hosting an actual chat room style session unlike mine which was really me just rambling on stoopidly begging for comments. 

I heard about it from AverageBro and some other members of the Black Blogosphere hosting that live blog as well.

So, I will be giving my feedback as usual, probably sometime tomorrow.  But if not tomorrow, don’t expect a post until Saturday sometime after three:  I have a SERIOUS midterm in African American Church History on Thursday, and a birthday party to attend on Friday night, not to mention reading for classes in between.  Although…hmm, if not a Friday post then, it will be Saturday after 3pm.

Enjoy the debate y’all.

Keep it uppity and keep it truthfully radical, JLL

Keeping it Truthfully Radical

6 Oct

I’m actually quite shocked no one has ever questioned me on my signature on the bottom of every post “Keep it uppity and keep it truthfully radical.” Naturally everyone knows where the “uppity” part comes from, but no one asked about the “truthfully radical” part.

There was a clip, pulled from YouTube last time I checked, from a 2006 rally in downtown Chicago where Rev. Otis “I stopped wearing bowties” Moss III gave an impassioned speech about hip hop and at the end his charge to the Soulja Boy generation was to “keep it truthful and to keep it radical” at the same time.  I was sold.

And I don’t think I’ve ever seen, in my life time, that is, such a deliberate thrust of mainstream and the status quo.  Usually these entities have such a life of their own, that they really don’t require conscious push in various media outlets; the power of conformity is enough on it’s own.  However, with the recent round of Obama bashings that are set to begin this week, via Sarah “I’m a moose and don’t read newspapers” Palin who’s CLEARLY getting her talking points from FoxNews a la Sean Hannity, it’s a wonder my ass isn’t on a ship being deported back to Africa as I type.

Seriously, we’re living in a country where being “radical” is a bad thing.

What is radical anyway?

Is radical merely questioning the status quo?  Does questioning the status quo or mainstream mean that one will be moved to actions later on in life.  I’m not about to do a roll call of radicalism in this country, but I will say that if black folk had just went with the status quo, we’d still be in slavery somewhere, or at best still be considered second-class citizens without full rights afforded by the Constitution. 

I want to know why are we, as a collective country, allowing for people like a Sean Hannity or even a Sarah Palin dictate to us what conversation we should be having?  Sarah Palin has her own pastor problem people don’t want to talk about; she has her own husband problem people don’t want to talk about.  I mean the guy was a member of the Alaska Independence Party that was in favor of Alaska seceding from the Union (Is this not the same argument Palin just hollered out on the trail that when it was convenient for Obama to be connected with “these folk” that he was and then when it wasn’t he left–didn’t she kinda do the same thing?).  Seriously folks, for all the stuff that Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright and even William Ayers  has said, none of them had went so far as to encourage their listeners to break away from the Union resulting in the birth of a nation known as the United States of Black America.

At this point, the American public needs to wake up to the reality that we’re being co-opted by idiocy.  Yes, I mean it.  We will see our own demise as a country because we fail to question ourselves.  We have allowed incompetency to rule for the day and are not taught to question anything.  Because of my boredom last night, I flipped past “Hannity’s America” to watch the drivel that he was selling for the evening.  And somehow Hannity made the connection between Obama (who’s street is now blocked off, I’m not to happy about that! I used to use that street as a shortcut to my own house) and Minister Louis Farrakhan and William Ayers who all happen to live in the Hyde Park/Kenwood neighborhood by saying that in order for Obama to “move up in the ranks” he had to buy the house in this neighborhood.

But he fails to say that HPK is one of the more affluent neighborhoods in the city, that Farrakhan has been there at LEAST as long as I’ve been living, and that we’re the neighborhood where the University of Chicago is located–I mean damn, it’s just really the “it” spot of Chicago to live if you got money like that.  I mean the way Hannity portrayed it, Hyde Park is a hotbed of “radicalist” thought.  I guess since I was born and raised there, that means I’m a radical.

Do you all think I’m a radical?

It really incense me to no end.  This type of speech from the GOP and from conservative media outlets in talk radio, print and television hearkens of the day when 1984 will become some sort of a reality.  Aside from the dangerous policies allowed by Dick Cheney that are eroding the civil rights of “Joe Six pack and hockey moms across America” the conservative thought process still isn’t looking out for the little man and woman, but merely wanting to conserve the way things are in order to preserve their way of life.

I am categorically against the bombings that were done by the Weather Underground, but everytime I watch a clip from Jeremiah Wright I am reminded of the numerous atrocities that are done around the world in an attempt to preserve our way of life.  Who said we as Americans had it right?  Did we receive some mandate from God like the Israelites did in the book of Joshua to just go in and take over an already occupied land just because we didn’t agree with their religion? 

We bomb places around the world without batting an eye.

That’s a fact; but it’s so radical no one wants to deal with it.

The problem with the brand of speech that is peddaled as an opiate for the masses by conservatives is that it’s not true.  It’s only a lived reality for people who buy from them.  For the rest of us who aren’t addicted to the cocaine-based, acid laced agenda, we’re made to feel like the bad guys and are forced to deal with another lived reality not having the luxury of being hyped up on the lies machinated by anti-intelligence.

I know for a fact that some Republicans or self-professed conservatives read this blog, or at least happen by occasionally.  Seriously, what does William Ayers or Jeremiah Wright have to do with Sen. Barack Obama’s ability to deal with the economy?  But the need to shift from clearly a problem we have in this country, (and for the first time I have heard this particular financial blip seriously compared with the Great Depression almost 80 year ago!) to something that McCain is more equipped at is the order of the day. 

This is the America we live in now.  One’s personality and character is thrown into question because they are the lesser of the two candidates.  I mean, this is politics as usual.  Nothing has changed much in my lifetime at least, but dammit, this has got to stop.  This is just unconscienable.  I mean, people are still saying that we don’t know Obama, they’re still trying to make him a Muslim, but at the same time link him with Trinity United Chuch of Christ, say he’s a terrorist with radical ideas–oh, yeah lemme park it right here.

What is considered radical in this country?

I am convinced that much of this is due to the latent racism still prevalent in this country.  Notice I said latent and not blatant.  I’m not convinced of the argument that the Conservatives are after Obama because “he’s a black man” but rather, it’s just always interesting to see how ideologies, philosophies and theologies are drawn by cultural distinctions.  Well, nothing wrong with that on the surface–so people say.  But if you go to the next level, one’s cultural distinctions are actually racial distinctions.  Sure there are crossovers such as Fr. Michael Pfleger who’s as white as the day is long, but the simple fact that he preaches with a picture of a black Jesus behind him already makes him “black” in that existential way.

Seriously, all the people that are labeled “radical” by FoxNews and the McCain camp are all people who subscribe to ideologies that are very appealing to blacks in America (I still am reserving my endorsement of William Ayers because I think bombing places is anarchy.  I mean what is really accomplished in that.  However, I think Ayers since the 80′s has been a wonderful blessing to the liberal community of Chicago and his good has far outweighed his bad, in my opinion.)

My conclusion, in a roundabout way is that radicalism is anything that does not subscibe to a white, male, patriarchal worldview–whatever that may be at the time.

Yeah, I said it–now deal with that brand of truthful radicalism.

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Keep it uppity and keep it truthfully radical, JLL

A Sunday Morning Realization: A Bankrupt Prosperity Gospel

6 Oct

I would be remiss as a seminarian student with a blog dedicated to all topics to not at least point you all to Jonathan Walton and his piece that he dropped onto Religion Dispatches entitled “Prosperity Preachers: Where Are They Now?”

It goes without saying that the economic boom 90s and financial overextensions of the new millennium contributed to the success of the prosperity gospel message. Preached within sprawling megachurches that reflect the excessive ethos of corporate greed and “super-sized” America, too many of the otherwise devout in America have been led to believe that luxury goods and material possessions are the marks of Christian fidelity. Narratives of how “God blessed me with my first house despite my credit” were common. Swank hotel conferences and “gospel cruises” replaced traditional revivals on the church calendar. And sermons declaring “its your season of overflow” supplanted messages of economic sobriety and disinterested sacrifice. Yet as folks were testifying about “what God can do,” little attention was paid to a predatory sub-prime mortgage industry, relaxed credit standards, or the dangers of using one’s home equity as an ATM to subsidize cars, clothes and vacations.

But at a time of rampant home foreclosures, soaring jobless rate and crumbling Wall Street firms, I have begun to wonder: Where are the prosperity preachers? What do they have to say as the American economy tumbles and their parishioners watch their net worth evaporate like the mid-morning dew? I mean they have taught us for the past few decades that by faith we can transcend the economy of the natural realm. If you walk with God and live the higher life in Christ, you don’t have to worry about the “world’s order.” And they have encouraged churchgoers to believe that poverty and economic lack is a mindset to be overcome, not a structural reality to be fought against. Wasn’t it the bastardized theology and perverted biblical hermeneutics of these jingoistic American patriots that reinforced the notion that difficult economic times signify a lack of faith at best, and a sinful spirit at worst?

Clearly you see where’s he’s going with the article.

I mean, I’ve heard more than once from preachers be it on TV or in person, even from preachers and pastors that don’t even remotely fall in the prosperity gospel category [although I think that the particular pastor I have in mind definitely dabbles in that area making many mentions about materialism] say that “God fixed it so that your credit score didn’t matter” when in fact, it was really just bad banking policy.

My friend [actually, most times when I say "My friend" I'm really talking about my colleague here at school Soul Jonz who's over on the blogroll] and I have eagerly been waiting Walton’s book release Watch This! The Ethics and Aesthetics of Black Religious Broadcasting* which is due out soon and I’m sure he’ll go on about an actual solution, but in that article he really didn’t pose an answer to the problem at hand.  Now initially that seemed like a problem in and of itself, but honestly, he’s right, you can find these same preachers in the same churches in the same pulpits spouting the same bad theology.

*For those of you who don’t know Bishop Eddie “I wear Muscle Shirts” Long has somewhat coined the phrase “Watch this, watch this, watch this” to his homiletical advantage during his sermons–it’s a play on words and probably a dig by Walton.

Just want to hear what you guys think about the prosperity gospel.  Is it something that you ascribe to, or is it something that you condemn?  Do you think other preachers who don’t agree with it are within their rights to openly speak against it?

My Insulted Intelligence: Palin and The Vice Presidential Debates Debrief

3 Oct

Seriously, my intelligence was insulted by That Thang that was Governor Sarah “The Moose” Palin last night.  I mean, if nothing else, she didn’t answer many of the questions, but rather gave GOP talking points.  I don’t care what any Palin or Sen. John McCain supporter has to say about the questions from Gwen Ifill, they were all fair questions and Palin didn’t answer many of them.

Let’s start with the first one.

Ifill asked was this the best or worst of Washington and Palin said:

You know, I think a good barometer here, as we try to figure out has this been a good time or a bad time in America’s economy, is go to a kid’s soccer game on Saturday, and turn to any parent there on the sideline and ask them, “How are you feeling about the economy?”

And I’ll bet you, you’re going to hear some fear in that parent’s voice, fear regarding the few investments that some of us have in the stock market. Did we just take a major hit with those investments?

Fear about, how are we going to afford to send our kids to college? A fear, as small-business owners, perhaps, how we’re going to borrow any money to increase inventory or hire more people.

The barometer there, I think, is going to be resounding that our economy is hurting and the federal government has not provided the sound oversight that we need and that we deserve, and we need reform to that end.

Now, John McCain thankfully has been one representing reform. Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae (NYSE:FNM) and Freddie Mac (NYSE:FRE) reform measures. He sounded that warning bell.

People in the Senate with him, his colleagues, didn’t want to listen to him and wouldn’t go towards that reform that was needed then. I think that the alarm has been heard, though, and there will be that greater oversight, again thanks to John McCain’s bipartisan efforts that he was so instrumental in bringing folks together over this past week, even suspending his own campaign to make sure he was putting excessive politics aside and putting the country first.

Again, this was not the question.   I’m not about to put ALL of her bad responses, because that would almost all of them, but here’s another few of choice.

Ifill had asked what lead to the sub-prime mortgage crisis.  Palin answered it was the predatory lenders.  Well no problem with that.  Sen. Joe “The Mullet” Biden jumped in and said it was due to deregulation as well “And while Barack Obama was talking about reinstating those regulations, John on 20 different occasions in the previous year and a half called for more deregulation. As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry deregulate it and let the free market move like he did for the banking industry.”  So, for rebuttal, Gwen asked Palin if she wanted to respond.

Do you know what she said? 

“I would like to respond about the tax increases.”

Riiiiiight, so we’re buying this BS.

Right after Ifill stuck it to her.

And then right after that, Biden came back on the deregulation piece and Ifil, again asked her did she want to respond and Palin said her famous:

I’m still on the tax thing because I want to correct you on that again. And I want to let you know what I did as a mayor and as a governor. And I may not answer the questions that either the moderator or you want to hear, but I’m going to talk straight to the American people and let them know my track record also. As mayor, every year I was in office I did reduce taxes.

Yeah, a mayoral job of a town with the population of one city block in New York qualifies you to lower taxes. 

**rolls eyes**

And then from there Gwen got her dig in and said “OK, our time is up here. We’ve got to move to the next question. Senator Biden, we want to talk about taxes, let’s talk about taxes.”  I was dying laughing.  For anyone who missed it, that was tongue-and-cheek on Gwen’s part because clearly Palin was wanting to talk about taxes and not the deregulation piece–can she even pronounce it right?

Then there was the direct question of from Ifill of “What promises — given the events of the week, the bailout plan, all of this, what promises have you and your campaigns made to the American people that you’re not going to be able to keep?”  And Joe Biden went down a list of what would have to go, or what he and Obama wouldn’t support. 

Three guesses what Palin’s response was?

Well, the nice thing about running with John McCain is I can assure you he doesn’t tell one thing to one group and then turns around and tells something else to another group, including his plans that will make this bailout plan, this rescue plan, even better.

I want to go back to the energy plan, though, because this is — this is an important one that Barack Obama, he voted for in ’05.

Yeah, This Thang went back to GOP talking points about energy and never answered the question, which was a fair question.

Gwen knew this was a fool and she came back and asked “So, Governor, as vice president, there’s nothing that you have promised as a candidate that you would — that you wouldn’t take off the table because of this financial crisis we’re in?”  To which Palin responded “There is not. And how long have I been at this, like five weeks? So there hasn’t been a whole lot that I’ve promised, except to do what is right for the American people, put government back on the side of the American people, stop the greed and corruption on Wall Street.

And the rescue plan has got to include that massive oversight that Americans are expecting and deserving. And I don’t believe that John McCain has made any promise that he would not be able to keep, either.”

And for the last, of many questions Palin dodged (among the bankruptcy question.  She didn’t even use the word “bankruptcy” in her response.) or just gave real elementary answers to was Ifill’s question about “What should be the trigger, or should there be a trigger, when nuclear weapons use is ever put into play?”

Palin’s response was:

Nuclear weaponry, of course, would be the be all, end all of just too many people in too many parts of our planet, so those dangerous regimes, again, cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, period. [Emphasis added]

Our nuclear weaponry here in the U.S. is used as a deterrent. And that’s a safe, stable way to use nuclear weaponry.

But for those countries — North Korea, also, under Kim Jong-il — we have got to make sure that we’re putting the economic sanctions on these countries and that we have friends and allies supporting us in this to make sure that leaders like Kim Jong-il and Ahmadinejad are not allowed to acquire, to proliferate, or to use those nuclear weapons. It is that important.

Can we talk about Afghanistan real quick, also, though?

Ya don’t say–it would really be that bad.   And then the Afghanistan bit?  Baby, just answer the question!!!!

Now that that romp through the smashing the tulips is over, my friend told me was her quite dangerous response about the Constitution and the vice-presidential seat.  Gwen asked “Governor, you mentioned a moment ago the constitution might give the vice president more power than it has in the past. Do you believe as Vice President Cheney does, that the Executive Branch does not hold complete sway over the office of the vice presidency, that it it is also a member of the Legislative Branch?”

And Palin’s answer disturbed me a lot.

Well, our founding fathers were very wise there in allowing through the Constitution much flexibility there in the office of the vice president. And we will do what is best for the American people in tapping into that position and ushering in an agenda that is supportive and cooperative with the president’s agenda in that position. Yeah, so I do agree with him that we have a lot of flexibility in there, and we’ll do what we have to do to administer very appropriately the plans that are needed for this nation. And it is my executive experience that is partly to be attributed to my pick as V.P. with McCain, not only as a governor, but earlier on as a mayor, as an oil and gas regulator, as a business owner. It is those years of experience on an executive level that will be put to good use in the White House also. [Emphasis added]

By all accounts, me and my friend want to ask Palin “The flexibility to do what?”  Clearly Cheney is one of the most dangerous vice-presidents.  He hasn’t filed with the National Archives since 2003 of Executive Branch papers, not to mention the whole Scooter Libby scandal, and his outright challenge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the Presidential Records Act, the Freedom of Information Act and the War Powers Resolution.  To borrow the TIME magazine interviewers question, Cheney and apparently Palin are in favor of a fourth branch of government, known as the Vice Presidency that’s beholden to no one.

And also, for the record, remember Obama was a constitutional lawyer. Biden’s response was superior to that of Palin.

Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we’ve had probably in American history. The idea he doesn’t realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that’s the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.

And the primary role of the vice president of the United States of America is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there’s a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit.

The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he’s part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous.

Palin didn’t answer the Achilles’ Heel question, nor the “per changing circumstances what would change your opinion on” question either which bothered me to no end.  However, I think Biden’s response about Robert Bork was as my friend said “Washington-ese” of him.  I mean, who the hell remember’s Bork’s confirmation hearings?  No one.  My parents have a button of Bork’s name with a big red slash and circle around it.  Meh, he woulda been a fool, he was an originalist and you all know where I stand on that. (If not, just click the hyperlink.)

All and all, Palin is a certifiable member of Fool Fest 2008.  I’m quite sure McCain’s people are going to usher her back into hiding, as they almost should.  Her usefulness has run dry.  Katie “I want to be known as a real journalist” Couric has probably done her last interview with Plain and Tall, but Katie’s done more than enough to let the country know just how effed up this lady really is.

For all this talk about she held her own?!?!?  My foot.  She aint say nothing that made this a real debate.  She for the most part just got up there and stuck to her notes.  She fumbled way more than Biden fumbled, and most of her rebuttals were from the notes she took compared to Biden who was the much better extemporaneous speaker.  And when Palin got the questions posed to her first, too often she went off on her “energy” tangent and never dealt well with the question.

Also, to my fellow black Obama supporters, seriously, what did you all expect Gwen Ifill to do?  She delievered as she always has.  I heard way too much chatter from text messages and other blogs that she didn’t stick it to Palin as she should have?  WHAAAT?!?!?! She’s the moderator, that’s Biden’s job.  Ifill more than once cut Palin off and made it quite clear when she or Biden hadn’t answered the question that was posed.  She was fair and honest with her questioning. 

As my friend said, the moderators job is to give the candidate enough rope to hang themselves and I think Palin did a good job dangling last night.

Although, the adage “Perception is reality” seems to hold much weight.  Many people perceived Palin not answering the questions as a good thing; clearly I stand in diametric opposition to that fallacy.  I just can’t believe that’s she’s really one heart beat away from the presidency.  Honestly, I could see a different presidency from George Bush in the form of McCain.  I honestly can, but when Palin got up there, she said everything was hunky dory gosh darnit and that she didn’t want to change anything and had no regrets, and that, my friends, sounds like something straight out of the Karl Rove, Of Many Chin’s playbook.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

New York Times Vice Presidential Debates 2008 Transcript

What was your take on the debates?  Do you think I was being categorically unfair to Palin in this blog?  What blunders did you think Joe Biden made in the debates?  Does this debate really match up to the hype that preceeded it?  Does it make a difference now?  For the undecideds that happen across this blog–has your mind been made up?  What SPECIFICALLY was anyone listening for that they did or did not hear–let’s use both sides of our brain.  I included a link for the full transcript, so feel free to reference it if you have any questions.

Keep it uppity and keep it truthfully radical, JLL

(What Was At The Time) Live Blogging of the Vice-Presidential Debates

3 Oct

Yup, it didn’t happen.

I didn’t have the happy harmony of cable and an internet signal at the same time last night.  Hopefully next week, I’ll be able to have that combination once again.  Below is my Live consciouness stream of how I was watching the debates last night.

9:06

 

So far so good.  I just thought it was very interesting to see that when the first question was posed to Palin that the reaction of undecided voters FLATLINED when it was her turn to speak.

 

9:07

 

I hope that I’m not going to be bored by this one.  Well, at least this time both have already turned and talked directly to each other.  For some reason, why does it seem that Palin is staring WAYYYYY to directly into the camera and not at least talk to Gwen Ifill

 

Did she really talk about Obama’s voting record—did not McCain vote 95% with George Bush.

 

Oh wow, Palin is talking about the number of years Biden has been in office—OMG, come on.

 

YESSSSSS! Ifill is tough, she said neither of them answered that question

 

9:09

 

Who was at fault in the nation’s mortgage crisis?

 

Alright, Palin said it was the predatory lenders.  I can get with that one with no questions on that.  Wow, she said Joe-Six Pack and Hockey Moms, she soooooo talking to the white folk of this country.  Again, Wall Street, Main Street, what the hell about Martin Luther King Street.

 

9:11

 

For right now, Biden’s losing and losing big time.  Palin is wayyyyy more engaging than Biden is right now.

 

So far, Biden used the first personal story.  That always does well with voters.  Hmmm, Palin wants to talk about taxes first.

 

Sorry, I’m VERY freaked out that this thang keep looking dead into the camera like she’s a friggin eyewitness reporter or something.  Again, when it comes to taxes—how do we expect to keep living like this in this country and not pay for it!??!?!  We’ve GOT to raise taxes to pay for this ish.

 

 

 

 

 

9:14

 

Uh-oh!  Biden drew blood first. —-WAIT—did she just say she may not answer the question the way the moderator or Biden wants to—OMG—GO BACK TO ALASKA WITH THAT!!

 

Biden said that she didn’t want to answer the question about deregulation, and then Ifill asked for a rebuttal and The Moose went on and more or less said I’m not answering that question because I don’t know, but I know about taxes.

 

9:16

 

HAHA!  Ifill cut ol girl off.  I wonder are the Repubs going to say that Ifill wasn’t playing fair because she cut her off.  I hope they try it—I HOPE THEY TRY IT! 

 

It’s not patriotic to pay taxes.

 

….

 

Um, let the private sector grow—sooooo, do we need the bailout or not?  I’m totally scared because this Moose is a fool.  Biden is just standing there looking like, are you guys serious?!?!

 

Pleased with the federal government….really, says the veep candidate of the prez candidate who was associated with George Bush.

 

9:19

 

Biden is getting heated under the collar.  Alright man, keep it cool.  I don’t want you to loose it.  Uh huh—dats right!!  He’s going to tax our healthcare benefit to give a $5,000 tax credit.  I’ma love to see if Palin responds to this!!!  STOP LOOKING INTO THE CAMERA GUYS!!

 

Oh wow, “That’s the ultimate bridge to nowhere.”

 

HA!  Ifill is good.  She said neither of “your colleagues” last week answered this question.

 

9:22

 

I think it’s interesting to see that the women’s reactions are much more favorable than that—characterized, characteristics—of the men.  The men, according to CNN aren’t all that favorable.

 

Moose, you’re not answering Ifill’s question.  She asked what promises have you not kept!!  ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?!  This is almost the third question you’ve dodged this evening.  She went back to the energy plan of Obama, um okay, riiiiight.

 

OH WOW!!!  She said “I’ve only been at this five weeks.”  Ifill is a good one, she sticks it to each one.

 

**rolls eyes**  

 

So McCain can deliver on everything—this’ll be rich. 

 

9:26

 

Yeah, this group is not enthralled by Palin.  This last question, she totally flatlined with this undecided (read: white) voters in Ohio.  I guess she didn’t do great with that question.

 

Wow, neither one of them are doing well at all with these voters.

 

Did she really go back to energy?  Clearly this is her strong point.  I’m going to love to see when they shift to foreign policy and see how much name dropping is she going to be able to do.  McCain did a good job last week, will she?

 

9:30

 

Meh, I’m getting bored.

 

9:31

 

Okay, and energy question. What is true and false about the causes of climate change?  Well, I kinda agree with her on this one.  But, my only reservations about ANWR drilling is that, I know this government.  They may start with this 2,000 sq. miles and next thing you know they own the whole she-bang. 

 

And how does Palin talk about all of this with emissions and what not, but she lives in a state that has less people than the South Side of Chicago.

 

Oh, wow, Biden’s talking about McCain’s voting record for the last 20 years—HAHA!! The Mullet was talking about clean coal, does he have his facts right this time.

 

9:34

 

“Drill baby drill!”  Wooooow, men’s reactions went down on that phrase.

 

Oh wow, Palin got in a good dig.  I think it was a fair rebuttal about the clean coal.  And um, Gwen is getting at Palin more than once, oh Lord, I feel a spin in the atmosphere saying that she’s biased.

 

Oh aiight, she cut Biden off—good!

 

9:36

 

Do you believe in granting same-sex benefits to couples?

 

HA!  Y’all don’t wanna hear how I personally feel about this.  Biden of course agreed.  And wow, Palin took the very hard-line on this one about not going too far as to redefine the traditional realms of marriage.  But she’s asserting her “tolerance.”  

 

**rolls eyes**   This is rich.

 

Alright, the people in Ohio liked that hard-line.

 

Ifill is good.  “Alright, let’s not nuance this.  Senator, do you believe in gay marriage?”

 

Both said no.   Oh wow, Palin almost got confused, she did a good save on that one.

 

9:39

 

What kind of exit strategy from Iraq do you support?

 

Well, personally I believe in a timeline, so I guess I really don’t have much to say about this one.

 

Meh, I need a bathroom break.

 

9:42

 

Oh wow….Palin is starting to stumble as we go into foreign policy.  She better watch out.  Talking about defending positions, dear let’s not go there. 

 

9:44

 

Wow, Palin had a pretty good run. I’m sure she had memorized that one and was waiting for the right time to use it.

 

Hmmm, Biden is gunning for Palin.  Why didn’t Biden say that Obama never voted for the war in the first place.  That’s the trump card and it always works.  At the end of the day Obama said we shouldn’t have been there—I believe that qualifies as going against one’s party as well.

 

9:46

 

Which is the greatest threat: A Nuclear Iran or an unstable Pakistan?

 

I wish Palin would have spoken on this one first, because right now she’s taking furious notes so she can have her rebuttal.  Oh Lord, let’s see what she said.  Yeah, she’s totally looking at notes on this one.  Po’ baby—what the hell?!?!  Is it a Republican thing to say “noo-cyuh-lurh” for the word “nuclear.”

 

Yeah, she’s clearly walking on shaky ground.  I must say she’s doing pretty good.  Cramming for the test does work, I can speak for myself on that one.  The question is how much do you remember for the journey ahead the day after.

 

Meh, I’m not convinced she killed on that one.  I think she barely eeked that one out.

 

9:49

 

Alright, dear you’re flatlining, pick up the pace.

 

Sorry Palin, Obama said in the debate with McCain about how he would try the new diplomacy to sit down and talk with someone.  And that was a good point with Biden saying five Sec. of State’s said we need to “Talk, talk, talk.”

 

Did she say a second Holocaust?!?!  Baby come on now, that will NOT happen to them good white folk.  Let’s talk about Dafur while we’re at it.

 

Palin is failing on this one.  

 

9:53

 

What has the Bush administration done right or wrong in the Mideast?

 

This is true what Biden said,  Rice going over there now is too little, too late. 

 

Ha!  Hezbollah, Hamas, does Palin even know who are what or where these people are?  YESSSS, an “abject failure.”  Or as I say “EPIC FAIL!”

 

Yup, there’s the obligatory “We Love Israel” spiel from both of these candidates.  Hmmm, she said it’s not an abject failure.  I thought she went against her party, how sh gonna agree with Bush?  She said that standing opposite this administration isn’t about “change.”

 

WTF!?!?!?!  She didn’t answer the question!!!!  

 

Oops, Biden is going for it.  YESSSSS! Biden is saying that thang didn’t answer the question.

9:56

 

Poor Palin isn’t doing well.  HA!  “Can I talk about Afghanistan right quick?!?!!”  Lawwwwwwwwd, she dying.  Sorry, just talk about it.  I mean, she’s going back through her notes trying to recover.  This is such a trainwreck.  She’s dying in my opinion, I’m sorry.

 

I’ve been waiting for this all night.   This is why I didn’t go to the late-night service on campus just to sit and watch The Moose be speared by The Mullet.

 

Good, at least The Mullet knows how to pronounce the word “NU-CLE-AR.”

 

Lawwwwd, what Palin gon say this time.  What’s saving Biden and killing Palin is the ability to a mid-air shift in debate topics.  Palin is sticking to her notes and Biden, I don’t think has looked down yet.  Wooooooooow….this is who McCain picked.

 

Ooops, I spoke too soon, Biden just looked down and it looked like he was about to stumble and fall.  That’s true.

 

10:02

 

Alright, good about Bosnia and Kosovo, not a great high from the Ohio Undecideds, but it wasn’t a flatline. 

 

I need for CNN to put up what the question was.

 

Oooh, the women went all the way up.

 

YUP!  Palin got him—Biden did vote for the war.  Annnnnnnd so did McCain, she shoulda kept her mouth shut.  Flatline for Palin.

 

As she reads he notes, nothing wrong with that, at least she agrees with the Dafur investment.

 

10:05

 

Why did I have to flip to CSPAN to get the damn question.  Will Americans Support Sending Troops to Darfur?

 

Are either of them really answering this question?  I’m not convinced.   NEXT QUESTION!

 

He’ll know how to win the war…

 

**rolls eyes again**

 

10:07

 

How would a Biden-Obama administration be different from a Palin-McCain administration in case the VP became President?

 

Well, biden was ready for this.  Palin is steadily looking down writing out her notes.  Po’ baby.  See, Biden was ready to go from jump.  I’m not convinced Palin was prepared for this debate.

 

“And heaven forbid….”  Riiiiiiiiight.  Of course it’s much more of a chance with the Republicans.

 

Wasilla, Main Street.   Yeah, I’m still worried about Atlanta, Martin Luther King Street.

 

Biden said ask them if McCain really differs from Bush in the major ways.  HA!  Biden just said the Main Street in Scranton  knows that this is some ish and that Wasilla Main Street are dumb.

 

WTF!?!?!  Her reward is in heaven!?!?!   This is NOT the Sermon on the Mount and you, Palin are certainly not Jesus.

 

10:13

 

What do you think the vice-presidency entails?

 

Wow, they really got some undercover animosity on this one.  Okay, working with the Senate and supportive of the president with strengths and weaknesses.  Okay, Paliin’s giving specifics.  I like this question, it was handled well.

 

I’m glad Biden knows how to answer questions.

 

Yup, someone who knows how to disagree with their superior and the superior understanding so.

 

Oh wow, Ifill is cutthroat.  She brought up Cheney and the vice-presidency!! 

 

Wow, that was such a Karl Rovian response.

 

10:16

 

MAJOR APPLAUSE!  (I wish) Cheney has been the most dangerous vice-president EVER!  I mean have any of you ever read what the hell Cheney has passed through Congress and what other executive acts he’s gotten done?  YOU’RE RIGHT BIDEN! 

 

10:18

 

Do you lack experience Gov. Palin?  What is your real Achilles’ Heel? (same question to Biden as well—what’s your weakest trait?)

 

Lawwwwd, is she gonna answer the question?  She didn’t ask how qualified you are, she asked how unqualified you are?  Ya know, a typical job interview question: “What are your weaknesses?”

 

If she didn’t die before—she died in my book right here!

 

It’s official, she’s a fool!

 

WTF!?!?!?

 

Oh Biden, BIIIIIDEN, you’re FAILING.  Why aren’t you answering the question.  FAIL on your part sir.

 

Huh?!?!  Was that an official stumble sir.

 

10:24

 

HA!  Biden was quite clear that McCain wasn’t a maverick on the issues that counted.

 

Nuff said.

 

On what issue have you changed your opinion based on circumstances?

 

I stand corrected, Biden has done his fair share of looking at notes.  Meh, I think Biden could have come stronger on that one.  I mean, not many people know about Bork and the Supreme Court.  Hell, I barely remember.

 

Wth?!?!  She’s the perfect candidate?  She never has any regrets or anything?  That’s some bull!  As Keep It Trill says, anything that doesn’t blink is the devil!

 

10:28

How do you change the tone in Washington?

 

Not questioning other people’s motives—what?!?!?  Biden coulda kept that.  You always stay questioning.  Fail on that one Biden.

 

Okay, I’m a bit worn out.  Yeah, I’m ready for closing statements.

 

10:29

 

Those dentures. 

 

What?!?!?!  I love answering the tough questions—bayyyybay!  You aint answer a good chunk of these heah questions.  Wonderful memorized closing statement.  **rolls eyes**

 

10:31

 

Sorry, but Biden looks a bit off of his stride.  He seemed to be off after his stumble during the debates about “What was you’re weakest trait?”

 

….as Palin smiles uncontrollably.

 

Hmmm, both of them have on black.

 

You’re right, black is a good thing.

 

Oh yeah, Gwen, you did yo’ thang sister!!

 

LMAO….are they gonna turn off their microphones.  Ya know they be done slipped up and said something they shouldn’t.   Oh good, I got nervous, cuz ya know one of them might have said something not too nice about the other one.

 

10:34

 

I love CSPAN.  This as interesting exchange post the debates.  These two are actuall having a real conversation with each other.  Of course we can’t hear, ut from the facial expressions, it wasn’t that bad.

 

10:35

 

Okay, I’m calling this a loss for Palin out of the simple fact she didn’t answer three of the questions if I counted right.  I’m not saying Biden knocked it out the park either, as far as the answering of questions however.  

 

My ultimate answer is that Biden won, but barely.  

So, stay tuned, probably in however long it takes me to read through a transcript of this foolishness that went on last night, I’ll type up and drop my full thoughts on the idiocy of McCain and Palin–and contrary to popular opinion go on about how well Gwen Ifill did last night.

Keep it uppity and keep it truthfully radical, JLL

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